My brother is gay as are many of his friends. He is not in a relationship currently but if he wanted to get married I would not be more thrilled. He and all straight and gay people deserve to be happy. I loved this commentary. I am going to post this on my blog if I can figure out how to do it!
Thanks for spreading the word. It needs to be. We all deserve to be happy.
I hope many saw this and really listened. We watch him nightly, and this was outstanding. Thank you for the rebroadcast! What a total shame to turn your back on love. Our son is Gay,he is wonderful talented and so warmhearted, he makes are hearts sing. Now we have two sons, we are thrilled they are so happy and committed to each other. Love is a beautiful thing that everyone deserves.
Thank you, Patience. I live in a country where gay marriage is legal, but constantly there are threats to take away that right. This moving and eloquent and rational commentary tugs at my heart for very personal reasons, and I only hope that those who would deny gays and lesbians marriage rights will truly listen. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for posting this.
We listen to Keith most nights -- and remember this eloquent Special Comment as one where he reached beyond politics to express his deepest feelings. He spoke like this when his mother died a month or so ago too -- and I remember being touched at what lies beneath his usual persona.
Patience, thanks for putting this up where I know I can find it when I want an antidote to the hatred and hostility and mindless sniping that is permeating current discourse.
Thank you Thank you - I fail to see how anyone can object to others wanting to have the right to marriage they should have all the rights that others have - the marriage that my husband and I have can not be threatened by anyone elses - By the way, thank you for your writing - Reilly whippet is my husband and my first dog and he is a true joy and he never judges anyone (a true lover boy) - in fact he has his own cat with whom he eats, sleeps, and hunts with - he even allows his cat to chase him in the yard. Now there is acceptance.
I guess I am in the minorty (on this comment thread...not in this country...check Keith's ratings against those of conservative hosts) but I disagree wholeheartedly with his comment. It boils down to sin. It is not hatred of people... it is a disdain for sin and a healthy fear of the God who defined it. GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED AND SO... I FEAR FOR OUR NATION AND MY CHILDREN. I know gay people and like gay people... I have gay friends... I still believe they are in sin... NO... I KNOW THIS IS SIN.
I have debated for days whether to comment of this post, because I really like some people who read this (not least of all the blog author).
As my husband says I right fight (or play devil's advocate) a lot.
So here it goes,
I wanted to point out that it is not hate alone that drives the arguement against gay marriage, It is largely based -I believe- in fear.
Many Christians believe that if we incur the wrath of God, he will punish us (some feel he is already doing so).
Many Christians honestly fear things like fire raining from heaven, like Sodom and Gamorrah.
An example of a verse in the New Testament (some say that homosexuality is only forbidden in the Old Testament, and that Jesus makes it okay, biblically to be Gay) the New Testament verse 1 Corinthians 6:9 saying that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. (as well as other sexually corupt peoples).
Personally, I have many questions over this issue, because we do not force other Christian behaviors on others through the government.
(there is no manditory church attendence; No requirements that one prays to any god least of all a christian god; no one is arrested for living together before marriage; and it has been many years since a woman wore a scarlet letter on her chest; because these are personal issues between individuals and God)
If these issues were put to vote as gay marriage had been, I am sure it would be surprising what people would vote for, and the furthe divisions within our nation.
My main point is that fear begets superstition. Everyone, Christian or not, has some superstition. Superstition is how peope have, since time began, tried to make themselves feel more in control of their lives.
I tease my husband because my mother-in-law will not exit from a diffent door than she entered (if possible).
Yet a have a beautiful opal necklace that I have not worn since I became pregnant with my first child, because it isn't my birthstone (It is bad luck - somebody said - to wear opals unless they are your birthstone. How many times have a taken it out and nearly worn it, but was too afraid something terrible would happen to my children because I so vainly chose to wear it; and It whatever horribleness followed would be intirely my fault.
I know you are probably laughing at me for this, and I welcome it, I see the humor, yet the opal will still go unworn because I fear for my children more than I love that necklace.
I beleive many anti-gay marriage votes are based in such fear, because something terrible will happen.
I agree with you Kristy! So much of all of the fundamentalist interpretations of the world's religions is based on fear and superstition. And ignorance.
I think of fathers and brothers who beat and disown their daughters/sisters, or kill them, because they were raped by enemy soldiers. God tells them to, because they bring shame on their family.
The way I read 1 Corinthians is that we're all in the same boat. Who of us isn't a fornicator, (ever had sex out of wedlock?) an idolater, (ever put job, family, money, security, lawn care as priority # 1?) an adulterer, (ever THINK about having an affair, cause apparently it counts just the same as having one), if you're born effeminate, or homosexual, [more on this later], if you're a thief, (did you report that item that didn't get scanned by mistake at Krogers?) covetous, (how bad do you wish you had a wii?) a drunkard, (hello???) a reviler, (ever criticized anyone!)a swindler, (sold something at your yard sale that you knew was busted?). I think that about covers it: we're all cut out of the will.
Plus this whole deal was in context of Christians suing Christians, and JUDGING. I think it's saying that no one of us is better than another.
Malakoi and arsenokoitai are the terms used in this passage and they're tough to translate. It's convenient to use them for anti-gay rhetoric. (Although the lesbians are apparently off the hook.) Many translators think it's more likely that they referred to using underage male prostitutes. Children.
My thought for the day or week or until I have another one.
"The fortunate person is one who recognizes the choices, and has the courage and the will to make the choices they desire, regardless of the difficulty and risk." William F Renzulli, MD
Absolutely awesome. Thanks for posting.
ReplyDeleteMy brother is gay as are many of his friends. He is not in a relationship currently but if he wanted to get married I would not be more thrilled. He and all straight and gay people deserve to be happy. I loved this commentary. I am going to post this on my blog if I can figure out how to do it!
ReplyDeleteThanks for spreading the word. It needs to be. We all deserve to be happy.
I hope many saw this and really listened. We watch him nightly, and this was outstanding. Thank you for the rebroadcast!
ReplyDeleteWhat a total shame to turn your back on love.
Our son is Gay,he is wonderful talented and so warmhearted, he makes are hearts sing.
Now we have two sons, we are thrilled they are so happy and committed to each other. Love is a beautiful thing that everyone deserves.
Thank you, Patience. I live in a country where gay marriage is legal, but constantly there are threats to take away that right.
ReplyDeleteThis moving and eloquent and rational commentary tugs at my heart for very personal reasons, and I only hope that those who would deny gays and lesbians marriage rights will truly listen.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for posting this.
We listen to Keith most nights -- and remember this eloquent Special Comment as one where he reached beyond politics to express his deepest feelings. He spoke like this when his mother died a month or so ago too -- and I remember being touched at what lies beneath his usual persona.
ReplyDeletePatience, thanks for putting this up where I know I can find it when I want an antidote to the hatred and hostility and mindless sniping that is permeating current discourse.
Joan
SO excellent...thanks for posting, Patience. And thank you, Keith Olberm for speaking out and saying what everyone needs to hear!
ReplyDeletePatience, thank you for sharing this. The contrast between this and his usual approach is so dramatic that it makes what he is saying even stronger.
ReplyDeletegusssie
Very well said. Thanks for posting this P!
ReplyDeleteThanks Patience. Keith has a tremendous audience and I hope folks tuned in to hear this very well said statement.
ReplyDeleteWell said, Keith! Thank you very much!
ReplyDeleteLove ya lots,
Maggie and Mitch
That was truly awesome! Linda at Abbey Creek sent me the link to your blog. I am so glad she did.
ReplyDeleteThanks for posting.
Thanks for sharing it!
ReplyDeleteKisses and hugs
Lorenza
Thank you Thank you - I fail to see how anyone can object to others wanting to have the right to marriage they should have all the rights that others have - the marriage that my husband and I have can not be threatened by anyone elses - By the way, thank you for your writing - Reilly whippet is my husband and my first dog and he is a true joy and he never judges anyone (a true lover boy) - in fact he has his own cat with whom he eats, sleeps, and hunts with - he even allows his cat to chase him in the yard. Now there is acceptance.
ReplyDeleteBravo, Keith!
ReplyDeleteGreat job!!
Lots of Koobuss Kisses,
Koobie's Mom
I guess I am in the minorty (on this comment thread...not in this country...check Keith's ratings against those of conservative hosts) but I disagree wholeheartedly with his comment. It boils down to sin. It is not hatred of people... it is a disdain for sin and a healthy fear of the God who defined it. GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED AND SO... I FEAR FOR OUR NATION AND MY CHILDREN. I know gay people and like gay people... I have gay friends... I still believe they are in sin... NO... I KNOW THIS IS SIN.
ReplyDeleteI just don't get how love equates to sin.
ReplyDeletethou shall not judge
do unto others
love thy neighbor
love thy enemy
Okay,
ReplyDeleteI have debated for days whether to comment of this post, because I really like some people who read this (not least of all the blog author).
As my husband says I right fight (or play devil's advocate) a lot.
So here it goes,
I wanted to point out that it is not hate alone that drives the arguement against gay marriage, It is largely based -I believe- in fear.
Many Christians believe that if we incur the wrath of God, he will punish us (some feel he is already doing so).
Many Christians honestly fear things like fire raining from heaven, like Sodom and Gamorrah.
An example of a verse in the New Testament (some say that homosexuality is only forbidden in the Old Testament, and that Jesus makes it okay, biblically to be Gay) the New Testament verse 1 Corinthians 6:9 saying that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. (as well as other sexually corupt peoples).
Personally, I have many questions over this issue, because we do not force other Christian behaviors on others through the government.
(there is no manditory church attendence; No requirements that one prays to any god least of all a christian god; no one is arrested for living together before marriage; and it has been many years since a woman wore a scarlet letter on her chest; because these are personal issues between individuals and God)
If these issues were put to vote as gay marriage had been, I am sure it would be surprising what people would vote for, and the furthe divisions within our nation.
My main point is that fear begets superstition. Everyone, Christian or not, has some superstition. Superstition is how peope have, since time began, tried to make themselves feel more in control of their lives.
I tease my husband because my mother-in-law will not exit from a diffent door than she entered (if possible).
Yet a have a beautiful opal necklace that I have not worn since I became pregnant with my first child, because it isn't my birthstone (It is bad luck - somebody said - to wear opals unless they are your birthstone. How many times have a taken it out and nearly worn it, but was too afraid something terrible would happen to my children because I so vainly chose to wear it; and It whatever horribleness followed would be intirely my fault.
I know you are probably laughing at me for this, and I welcome it, I see the humor, yet the opal will still go unworn because I fear for my children more than I love that necklace.
I beleive many anti-gay marriage votes are based in such fear, because something terrible will happen.
I agree with you Kristy! So much of all of the fundamentalist interpretations of the world's religions is based on fear and superstition. And ignorance.
ReplyDeleteI think of fathers and brothers who beat and disown their daughters/sisters, or kill them, because they were raped by enemy soldiers. God tells them to, because they bring shame on their family.
The way I read 1 Corinthians is that we're all in the same boat. Who of us isn't a fornicator, (ever had sex out of wedlock?) an idolater, (ever put job, family, money, security, lawn care as priority # 1?) an adulterer, (ever THINK about having an affair, cause apparently it counts just the same as having one), if you're born effeminate, or homosexual, [more on this later], if you're a thief, (did you report that item that didn't get scanned by mistake at Krogers?) covetous, (how bad do you wish you had a wii?) a drunkard, (hello???) a reviler, (ever criticized anyone!)a swindler, (sold something at your yard sale that you knew was busted?). I think that about covers it: we're all cut out of the will.
Plus this whole deal was in context of Christians suing Christians, and JUDGING. I think it's saying that no one of us is better than another.
Malakoi and arsenokoitai are the terms used in this passage and they're tough to translate. It's convenient to use them for anti-gay rhetoric. (Although the lesbians are apparently off the hook.) Many translators think it's more likely that they referred to using underage male prostitutes. Children.